Thread: RAGE od ID software-a: 360@60 fps, PS3@20-30fps

U najnovijem izdanju Edge magazina, Carmack, je naveo da će PC i Xbox 360 verzija trčati u 60fps a PS3 za sada uspevaju da nateraju da radi između 20-30fps. LOL.
Za box dolazi na 4 dvd-a a za PS3 na 1 BR.

The Xbox 360 and PC versions of id's Rage sport higher framerates than the PlayStation 3 version, the latest issue of Edge magazine reveals.

In a ten-page reveal in its latest issue, Edge writes that the Xbox 360 version of Rage - which uses id's new Tech 5 engine - matches the 60fps framerate of the PC version, while PS3 runs at just "20-30fps".

It's not mentioned whether the PS3 framerate will be addressed by the game's eventual release.

"The PS3 lags a little bit behind in terms of getting the performance out of it," John Carmack told Edge. "The rasteriser is just a little bit slower - no two ways about that.

"The RSX is slower than what we have in the 360. The CPU is about the same, but the 360 makes it easier to split things off, and that's what a lot of the work has been, splitting it all into jobs on the PS3," he said.

The PS3 edition was thought to be the most technically capable of the console pair, thanks to id being able to squeeze the gigantic shooter onto a single-player Blu-ray disc, compared to Xbox 360's four DVDs.

The developer also confirmed that a Mac version of Rage is still in development.

Isss, zna MS sta je mito Zar nije do sad bilo da ps3 ima bolje hardwesrske performanse?

Originally Posted by Kyott Arno

Do sada? Nije nikad ni bilo

Bilo je kao poredjenje u Frame Rate u u dosta igara na nekim sajtovima i uglavnom je ps3 ima za nekh 15 fps vise. Ali danas nista se ne zna posto pare ne uticu na nikog

Originally Posted by FaTaL

Bilo je kao poredjenje u Frame Rate u u dosta igara na nekim sajtovima i uglavnom je ps3 ima za nekh 15 fps vise. Ali danas nista se ne zna posto pare ne uticu na nikog

Sta, kao PS3 ima bolji framerate?! Ma daj, odakle ti to! Pogledaj na Eurogameru one silne 'vs' runde, X360 je u toliko igara bolji da to vise nije ni smesno...

Dosad se vec iskristalisalo da je PS3 *mozda* u teoriji jaci (mada ni to nije uopste sigurno), ali da ga u praksi xbox shisha samo tako. Sony ga je toliko ishajpovao, da dan-danas ljudi jos uvek misle kako ce PS3 tek da pokaze sta ume. A godine prolaze...

EDIT: btw, kyott, aj baci neki link ka tom tekstu ako imas. tnx.

Originally Posted by FaTaL

Bilo je kao poredjenje u Frame Rate u u dosta igara na nekim sajtovima i uglavnom je ps3 ima za nekh 15 fps vise. Ali danas nista se ne zna posto pare ne uticu na nikog

QUE? Ovo što si napisao nema smisla. Link please...

edit: prestigao me n00dle, ali generalno, ljudi i dalje veruju onome što su tada (2005) videli/čuli, i na žalost, dalje misle da će se stvari nešto bitno promeniti i da će u nekom trenutku sve PS3 igre a posebno multiplatform izdanja, na PS3 biti superiornija. They will never learn

Originally Posted by PekiSa

Pa nije bas neiskoriscen.Killzone 2 izgleda i igra se vrhunski,MGS je dosta dobra igra,Uncharted je kao sistem kvalitetna stvar.Ima tu jos par zanimljivih naslova.No cinjenica je da graficki jedino za KZ2 moze da se kaze da je ubitacan.

Killzone 2 ima nasvirane sejdere i odlicnu animaciju, ostalo je onako. A framerate i kontrole su pomalo tromi (latencija izmedju pritiska na dugme i reakcije lika na ekranu je osetno veca nego kod drugih igara, citao sam tekst o tome). MGS je mozda nekome dobra igra, ali vizuelno je samo ok - izuzev prvog poglavlja, svako sledece izgleda sve losije, na moje rastuce zaprepascenje.

Elem, Karmak je samo komentarisao trenutno stanje - ko sto kazu ljudi, dovesce oni i PS3 verziju tamo gde treba do izlaska igre. U medjuvremenu, evo komentara sa kotakua ako vas zanima laicki opisana tehnicka strana problema:

"Sadly from what I understand the issues making PS3 development harder than PC or 360 can't really be fixed. All the extra power of the extra cores is just a major pain to get to since developers can't access the specialized cores directly and said cores don't have direct access to the RAM. The Cell processor was designed to be a co-processor not the main processor.

On the 360 a programmer can tell the one of the three general purpose cores to do something and it does it. On the PS3 the programmer has to tell one of the two general purpose cores (which are less powerful than the 360's general purpose cores) to tell one of the five specialized cores to do something and then the general purpose core has to hold the hand of the specialized core in order for it to do what it needs to do. I could be mistaken, but I believe that the specialized cores can't even talk to each other so a general purpose core has to act as an go-between for operations that benefit from the efforts of more than one of the specialized core. In the end the PS3 has the more powerful processor, but it is much more difficult to squeeze that power out of it."

"Being a video game developer (I develop for both, Playstation 3 and XBOX 360) people ask me almost daily which platform I think is better. These are my personal feelings, in no way does this reflect my employer.

Short answer: XBOX 360.

Long answer: Price, performance, visual quality, game selection and online support. I think the XBOX 360 wins in every category.

Price: This is obvious; the XBOX 360 core is only $299. The PS3 is around $499 for the 20GB version. It comes with a hard drive, but you don�t need a hard drive to enjoy a lot of great games on the 360 so I think it�s fair to compare both core systems.

Performance: On paper, the PS3 is more powerful. In reality, it�s quite inferior to the 360. Without getting into too many details, the three general-purpose CPU�s the xbox360 has are currently FAR easier to take advantage of than the SPU�s on the PS3. I suspect a few years down the road some high budget, first party PS3 exclusive titles will come out that really take advantage of the SPU�s and do things the XBOX 360 can�t, but I don�t think the console is worth buying based on this speculation (for some it will be though, we'll have to wait and see how these games turn out)."

Ima dobrih igara za sony koje izgledaju super, Kill Zone, Uncharted, MGS, Heavenly Sword, LBP ali najvaznije od svega Gof Of War 3.

PS: Ne mogu jos da verujem da Tekken i FF13 izlaze za box a nekad su bile najbolje igre (ekskulzive)za sony

Originally Posted by dzukela

pomešao si, ps3 je uvek imao 15 fps manji framerate.

Ma nisam, sad cu videti da nadjem link gde sam to procitao. Verovatno onda nije tacno ali 100 % tako pise.

Originally Posted by FaTaL

Ne mogu jos da verujem da Tekken i FF13 izlaze za box a nekad su bile najbolje igre (ekskulzive)za sony

A, jel ste culi sto su najavili i MGS za kutiju?
Neki ''Metal gear sold:Rising"...

Inace, i ja sam cuo i uverio se da u istim igrama xbox bolje izvlaci nego ps3.
Ne znam za PS3, ali na kutiji sve igre standardno imaju ukljuceni 4x antialiasing sto je za mene stvarno odusevljavajuce...Na pc da biste postigli ovo morate da izdvajate bar po 500e na svakih 6-7 meseci.

Mada moram priznati da ima igara za xbox360 za koje mi je zao sto nemaju veci framerate, kad vec za to nema vizuelnog opravdanja. Darkness, Overlord 2, Halo Wars, da spomenem samo neke... Imaju skoro konstantno los framerate. Pa ni Gears 2 nije bas sjajan. To se narocito oseti posle igranja COD4 koji je zakucan u 60fps. Ne mogu da se tada otmem utisku da se igram na inferiornoj platformi (u odnosu na high end PC, naravno, ne PS3).

Sto se tice isplativosti za developere i americke kupce, to ima za mene samo akademskog znacaja. Sa prakticne strane, Xbox360 nudi deset puta vise od svega ostalog za ulozen novac... Bio sam u iskusenju da uzmem polovan PS3 za 250e, ali sta ce mi kad ne mogu da iskoristim ni 10% Xboxa...

Originally Posted by Lousy Architect

Takav PC je jaci od obe konzole ali, kao ni u slucaju PS3, ta snaga se ne koristi, i zato vecina igara izgleda samo malo bolje nego na konzolama. Zato je po meni Xbox najbolja igracka platforma posto iz najslabijeg hardvera izvlaci isto sto i jace masine a nekad i vise.

Ma da.Pa kad vidis voznje na kompu, uopste nemaju bolju grafu nego PGR4.A da bi pokrenuo takvu neku grafu na kompu moras da platis min 600e, a kutiju uzmes za 220e! Ko razmilsi shvati da je xbox bolje imati nego komp, sto se tice igara.